Line art, tracing and referencingI have been getting a few people asking to make Line-art out of my work or you know a trace of some artist piece so everyone can have a recolor of it.
Some ask, some just go ahead and do it, I'm NOT OK with you tracing someones work line for line and posting as your own for others to recolor, its a little insulting to the artist even more so if it was a commission.
Using someones else art to make bases or adoptables, is wrong and ruins the artist's original vision. There are 100's of free bases out there and cheap ones, you shouldn't be tracing work without permission for adoptable and bases.
Its ok to trace someones art for learning purposes, but it should never be posted! its even ok to highly reference peoples work for learning purposes, but don't post it! or at lest ask the artist for permission first before doing so.
I made a chart below to show the differences, hope that clears up some confusion.
But- And I'm just curious, don't go off on one.
What if you're using stock or images off of google? Like actual photos to get a certain pose? Surely changing the position of the body parts would defeat the object of using the picture to reference like, completely?
Is using the pose, whether using circles for the body parts or a sketch, of a picture or even something you've taken a picture of yourself, stealing? Technically you're still doing it in your own style, merely using the pose as a starting point.
Again, I'm merely curious, please don't go off on me.
I think it's okay to do that on separate traits, to practice drawing those shapes. If an artwork has traits (body parts, poses) that seem to be copied from a few different others, you can upload it without permission but at least give credit to the originals.
which made me feel really bad, but this really helped me alot!!
Tracing is a good learning tool and highly referencing is and amazing learning tool. I would just suggest not posting what you trace or highly ref just keep that to your self to help you learn.
See artist Need references. Its how our brain learns to duplicate what we see, you have to train it to draw what you enjoy, the more references you learn from the better and more unique your work will become.
and I like what you've said in the description, I hate it when people go and claim rights to poses, it's dumb
This is a step in the right direction, but I still feel that it misses the mark a bit. Let me explain my case as an illustration and animation student, because plagiarism is hardwired into me as a giant “no-no”.
The difference between tracing and referencing is all in where you place the source material.
If you draw any remotely similar image on top of its source, it’s tracing. It doesn’t matter whether you change the hair, tail, position of the head, etc. Let this sink in: If you’re drawing on top of the image, it’s tracing. And if you claim any part of the drawing to be your own intellectual property, that my dear friends is called plagiarism. It’s as real in art as it is in your writing classes.
Now, if you set your source material off to the side of your drawing surface (digital or traditional), that is referencing. But what’s the big deal, and what’s the difference? Tracing takes little to no skill; you don’t need to think when you trace. But when you have reference, whether it’s the real world around you for a landscape painting or a photograph of one, your brain is working, and it’s working hard. As my professors have drilled into me, drawing is the skill of taking the three-dimensional universe and rendering it in two dimensions. You need to think about how everything relates to the scene in three-dimensional space, compose it, and then transfer it onto a flat surface. Even if you’ll try to copy exactly what your source material is, you’ll be making spacial calculations, you’ll be actively using your eyes and your brain to approximate the image. Do not misinterpret this: if your source material was created by someone else and you attempt to copy it exactly, you still must give credit, because the composition is not your intellectual property.
Referencing is how you learn how to draw. But what is tracing good for? Tracing is a perfectly valid method for honing your technical skills in a certain medium. Like practicing your line work, blending, and any other effects that are created with the flicks of your wrist. It’s also useful for building the hand-eye coordination needed for using any graphics tablet that isn’t a Cintiq. HOWEVER, I strongly urge you not to make public any of these exercises. If you still want to show them to the world, you MUST give credit where credit is due.
All this being said, I still think this deviation is a nice way to start a great wave of change towards respect of intellectual property that the people on this site desperately need.
DON'T DRAW. DON'T LEARN. DON'T EVEN TRY TO IMPROVE AS AN ARTIST. MAKE THE NEXT MONA LISA OR DIE YOU SUCKER. DON'T EVER DARE TO DO ANYTHING BECAUSE SOMEBODY DID SOMETHING LIKE IT ON THE PAST AND YOU ARE AN OVBIOUS THIEF.
Also lol crediting for drawing some character doing an action. Then i will need to find and credit all the artists who ever made a picture of some character looking in any direction. or. all the artists on this world, past and present, for daring to draw.
They are being mare from scratch sweetie :3 if i were just tracing them over i would have finished the sheet back when i started it on february And dhey are going through a renovation process to ressemble His latest installment's appearance anyway. So don't you worry, contrary to certain other people i am not a contradictory hypocrite.
Alright. I just wanted to make sure since I've been down to the Sonic side of this site and it's just recolour central, lol. It irks me, since I like making sprites (haven't done it in a while, but I like doing it) from scratch myself.
If the person is using an photographers photo, without permission, permission is still needed to be sought.
Although if they are using stock, then the stock owners permissions or rules are the ones you need to follow [some do require permission, some do not].
What the author o this post is talking about is using ONE piece of previously created artwork and reproducing it.
Or in other words Copying. Hence why we have COPYRIGHT laws. The creator did not give you the right to create copies of their work.
So in the end you are using oranges to compare apples. Even though they are both considered fruit. One is made up of different visible segments that make up the whole compared to another that is a mostly uniform solid.
and you don't NEED to trace at all to improve. I learned only by looking at stuff in real life (maybe at a real photo of something, not something drawn by someone else) and thinking of it in my mind when I'm drawing. Look at yourself in a mirror or a pet. If you need ref, its the best kind. Ya maybe not everyone learns that well that way, but its the best way, for anatomy, perspective, and much more.
but if someone wants to sit there and trace line by line, in someone elses style they worked on doing/developing themselves, and be an ass saying its 100% theirs. Then whatever.
There is a difference between using something as ref help for a few elements of a drawing, and just coping something pretty much all the way and saying "This is mine". What if someone traced over the Mona Lisa and put eye brows and gave them blonde hair and say "this is mine", do you think thats wrong? or ok? What would the real artist think? They spent so much time on something, to have someone do a half ass shitty trace over, and not giving the original person credit?
or let me put it in this way. Someone takes one of your drawings, traces over it and adds 1-2 things to it, but you can tell its still your drawing by they claim they drew it. Your feelings about that?
So. Referencing. that thing that should still be pretty much crediting and be ashamed for. Good luck crediting every single thing your eyes have seen.
Seems like my point is still not getting there. but whatever. I am not going to reply to the rest of the point because the issues come from the referncing parts, not the tracing ones. but hey. go ahead.
Once again, missed it.
I don't even know how to explain to you at this point. If its drawn by someone, ask before you referance. If its your own leg or your pet, then go for it and post it you don't need to credit it, because its not someone's photo or drawing, you don't need to credit a tree outside if draw it. If you find a picture of a lizard on google (not a drawing, or from a art site like DA) you can either not say anything, or just post in your artist comment, "I used this picture as ref here is the link. " so maybe others can use it and thats all, no searching all over the internet looking for the person that took it. Not like they care, unlike if its an artist or a artistic photographer on a art website.
They are not saying you can't.
Here.. let me say this.. If its by an artist or someone that is a artistic photographer, ask. Just be like "may I use this as a ref?" Depending on the person they will say yes or no. If they say yes, just credit them in the artist comment, WOW DONE. If no, go find another picture for ref.
If you can't get it and keep making up a different meaning of this, then idk what to tell you.